But without the test prep, some of our youngsters - they would not do well.

"How can kids who don't have special test prep get into top schools?"

"Now the whole city system is based on test prep and test taking," she said.

If the answer is "adding more test prep," be wary.

"I know they did a lot of test prep with the kids," she said.

In many communities, there is a perception that you need test prep to stay on a level playing field.

"I can't afford not to do test prep," he said.

He talked earlier about the need for creativity, but the focus on test prep in schools now is anti-creativity.

"It shouldn't be hidden or disclosed only to the select few who have the advantage of test prep."

Well, we don't have to, because mainstream ed has moved into test prep.